Audio interview of Mary Hutchings, born 1948, by Dr. Justin Jaron Lewis at the Kaufman Silverberg Jewish Library in Winnipeg. 00:00 Interview begins with an introduction of the interviewer and interviewee, as well as location information; 00:41 Mary talks about her background of Zalman. She states she first met Zalman at the University of Manitoba in 1970. She was in the Psychology of Religion course; 02:00 Mary talks about Zalman Schachter’s background such as his marriage, family, and time he lived in Winnipeg. By the time Mary met him he was married to his second wife, Mary Lynn Patterson, who was quite younger than Zalman and had two young babies; 03:20 Mary talks about the controversy that revolved around Zalman’s first and second marriage; 04:30 Mary mentions that by the time she met Zalman the divorce was in the past and she experienced a truly amazing person from Zalman. She also mentions he was an amazing story teller and the class time always flew by; 06:08 Mary remembers a story Zalman told about him being a young man and being arrested by the Nazis. He was being processed at a camp and the Nazi at the desk asked Zalman for his name and birth date and continued to ask Zalman “why he was born,” to make him feel subhuman; 07:20 Mary talks about the Psychology of Religion course. She states it was a totally experiential course with ten labs. Each person in the class was also assigned a spiritual teacher and a book to read. Mary’s book was “A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life.”; 09:56 Mary talks in more detail about the labs in the course. First the students had to blindfold themselves and walk around the church and feel there way around. She also talks about the lab where the students had to feed each other. Another lab included the pairing of two students that normally did not talk to each other and the pair had to maintain eye contact beyond the point of feeling uncomfortable; 12:55 Justin asks if Mary remembers the swimming pool lab about baptism; 14:11 Mary talks about the encounter group lab at a conference room for 36 hours. Mary mentions that during the encounter lab there was a moment she was matched with Zalman and she had to express how she felt about him without using words. She attempted to sit on his lap to show him he was a father figure and he became offended with that action; 16:35 Mary talks about Zalman’s thoughts on Alan Watts and Timothy Leary and Zalman’s own use with LSD; 18:25 Justin asks Mary if Rabbi Schachter was involved with the process of Mary becoming Jewish; 19:08 Mary mentions that her mother was excited that Mary was taking a course with Zalman and her mother made a chocolate cake for him; 21:18 Mary talks about the time she went to Zalman’s house; 23:00 Justin asks about the joint Zalman smoked and if drugs were involved with Mary’s own experiences; 23:40 Mary talks about the ten locations she went to for the Psychology of Religion course; 26:23 Mary talks about her religious upbringing and her parents; 27:00 Mary talks about another book Zalman gave Mary and she mentions she got a “B” in the course because she did not submit the two major assignments; 28:00 Mary mentions she did not keep in contact with Zalman after he moved; 31:00 Justin thanks Mary for her participation.
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Audio interview of Mary Hutchings, born 1948, by Dr. Justin Jaron Lewis at the Kaufman Silverberg Jewish Library in Winnipeg. 00:00 Interview begins with an introduction of the interviewer and interviewee, as well as location information; 00:41 Mary talks about her background of Zalman. She states she first met Zalman at the University of Manitoba in 1970. She was in the Psychology of Religion course; 02:00 Mary talks about Zalman Schachter’s background such as his marriage, family, and time he lived in Winnipeg. By the time Mary met him he was married to his second wife, Mary Lynn Patterson, who was quite younger than Zalman and had two young babies; 03:20 Mary talks about the controversy that revolved around Zalman’s first and second marriage; 04:30 Mary mentions that by the time she met Zalman the divorce was in the past and she experienced a truly amazing person from Zalman. She also mentions he was an amazing story teller and the class time always flew by; 06:08 Mary remembers a story Zalman told about him being a young man and being arrested by the Nazis. He was being processed at a camp and the Nazi at the desk asked Zalman for his name and birth date and continued to ask Zalman “why he was born,” to make him feel subhuman; 07:20 Mary talks about the Psychology of Religion course. She states it was a totally experiential course with ten labs. Each person in the class was also assigned a spiritual teacher and a book to read. Mary’s book was “A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life.”; 09:56 Mary talks in more detail about the labs in the course. First the students had to blindfold themselves and walk around the church and feel there way around. She also talks about the lab where the students had to feed each other. Another lab included the pairing of two students that normally did not talk to each other and the pair had to maintain eye contact beyond the point of feeling uncomfortable; 12:55 Justin asks if Mary remembers the swimming pool lab about baptism; 14:11 Mary talks about the encounter group lab at a conference room for 36 hours. Mary mentions that during the encounter lab there was a moment she was matched with Zalman and she had to express how she felt about him without using words. She attempted to sit on his lap to show him he was a father figure and he became offended with that action; 16:35 Mary talks about Zalman’s thoughts on Alan Watts and Timothy Leary and Zalman’s own use with LSD; 18:25 Justin asks Mary if Rabbi Schachter was involved with the process of Mary becoming Jewish; 19:08 Mary mentions that her mother was excited that Mary was taking a course with Zalman and her mother made a chocolate cake for him; 21:18 Mary talks about the time she went to Zalman’s house; 23:00 Justin asks about the joint Zalman smoked and if drugs were involved with Mary’s own experiences; 23:40 Mary talks about the ten locations she went to for the Psychology of Religion course; 26:23 Mary talks about her religious upbringing and her parents; 27:00 Mary talks about another book Zalman gave Mary and she mentions she got a “B” in the course because she did not submit the two major assignments; 28:00 Mary mentions she did not keep in contact with Zalman after he moved; 31:00 Justin thanks Mary for her participation.
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